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Poster: Santtu Date: Dec 4, 2008 2:28am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

Only I have the right to decide when and where my material is in publicity.

YOU VIOLATE MY COPYRIGHTS IF YOU PUBLISH MY TEXTS OR PHOTOS ON YOUR SERVER. SO YOU BREAK THE LAW.

The IA is under the same laws as all other people. IA archives also copyrighted music, software, photos etc.

Some of my best nautre photos are now for sale. IA distributed some of them free.

If IA are allowed to copy somebodys photos or music or software and distribute it, then I can also do it.

I wonder why you are so blind to this fact. You must be dummy if you don't understand it?

Nothing more to add to this subjet.

END!

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Poster: kustota Date: Dec 4, 2008 5:04am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

you sure like to call anyone stupid if one doesn't agree with you. maybe you'll enjoy reading this:
What is the Wayback Machine's Copyright Policy?
How do you protect my privacy if you archive my site?
Internet Archive's Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Copyright Policy

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Poster: Santtu Date: Dec 4, 2008 11:25am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

LOL

That is senseless. It is too late to give afterwars any conditons or links. The pages were archived more than 15 years ago.

IA can give whatever policy conditons it wants. Their policy is not the law. IA breaks copyright laws. The law goes over somebodys homemade toy-policy wich is not generally accepted. I have not seen them and not signed them. The conditons are also unilateral, so no valid.

An agreemet is valid only if both parts have accepted it. I have not accpeted their conditons. You should study law.

I think that you are also stupd if you don't understand these facts and believe that other people must act as IA policy says.

Here in Finland was a company wich put signgboards to some yards etc. In the sign was parking conditions wich must be obeyed. If you din't obey the conditions, you got a parking ticket from that company. Several people paid thet ticket, but one brave man sued the company. The result was that he parking company lost the case! It has no right to give tickets regardless what was said in their homemade toy-policy. Such a private rules have no value!

Same with the IA policy. It's policy and rules are unliateral and worthless and does not obligate anybody to do anything.

If somebody would sue IA like the brave man sued this parking company the reslut would be the same.


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 15, 2009 6:32pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

I bet you don't want any of this to be read by anyone either. The internet is broadcast much like a radio or television station, who the fuck would broadcast to 6 billion people shit they don't want people to have?

Are you fucking serious?

If you want to hide your money from the IRS, don't put it in a bank.

If you want to hide your drugs, don't leave them out on the dining room table.

If you want to hide your car don't park it on the roof of your house.

If you want to hide your boyfriend from your husband don't meet them both for dinner.

AND IF YOU WANT TO HIDE A PICTURE OF YOU MAKING SWEET LOVE TO A HAMSTER DON'T PUT IT ON THE INTERNET! Or just use the textbots as clearly instructed for removal along with everyone else.

Are you going after google cache next? How about those stupid search sites that crawl and take snippets from everywhere? How about bloggers linking to you? Different servers? Mirrors? People printing your damn hamster insertion cam footage?

I think I'll sue the yellow pages for putting my number in there and burn down the courthouse for listing the sale of my property and burn all my photo albums and kill anyone who remembers me and ....

For you to insult this site is like brutally stabbing my mother to death and sodomizing her corpse and I will not allow that to happen ever again!

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Poster: Santtu Date: Jan 15, 2009 11:58pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

I see that you have not read all my comments and have not understood why the "error" was made.

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Poster: Santtu Date: Dec 4, 2008 11:50am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

The word is full of different kind of conditons and rules. But use your own brains: Most of them does not obligate you to anything. Here you see a photo of a sign wich is worhtless and does not oblicate you. Exactly the same with Waybacks policy and conditions. They are meaningless.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2771334129_b0d247b81f.jpg" alt="2771334129_b0d247b81f.jpg" />

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Poster: instant madness Date: Dec 5, 2008 7:22am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

Dude, your argument is baseless. Why would anyone put something on the web that is 'intimate and private' as you said, in plain view for all to see? Don't be silly please.

Google for "using robots.txt", and perhaps in this way you'd understand it: "It's burglar proofing for your website".

lol. sigh.

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Poster: Santtu Date: Dec 6, 2008 3:56am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

"Dude, your argument is baseless."

No! You have wrong. IA violates mine and other peoples copyrights. But maybe you in USA have your own laws..... Yes... You in USA have done always what you want... like attact and control other countries.

Current archive laws in almost every country are written originally at that time when the archiving was paper of microfilm copies of newspapers etc material at some library. The arcive laws does not mean that the archive can sperad for example copyrighted music for free to everybody via internet - like it does now.

"Why would anyone put something on the web that is 'intimate and private' "

Millions of people have photos on their family on web. Ask them. (Family photos and even your home address are intime and private, especially when the are in wrong hands.)

Like I said (but you don't understood it) that it was my error in past times.


'Google for "using robots.txt", and perhaps in this way you'd understand it: "It's burglar proofing for your website".'

You don't understand what you read or you don't have read my earlier reply to this subject:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=220670

So are you stupid?.... I think that yes.
At least you are illiterate to whom it is too difficut to understand general justice principles wich are behind this page stealing and Waybacks homemade rules. You can't suppose that all people read first wayback rules before they make their webpages. Most of peole does not know that such a thing like Wayback even exists. (The wayback has very minor role in this word... only a very small amout of pages are archived, majority of pages are not archived, so the archive has not much general importance. I checked several current webpages.... none of the was found from IA.)

Tell me how I can put AFTERWARS robots.txt to such pages wich were indexed at that time when such a thing as robots.txt did not exist yet.

It is very fustrating to repeat same proofing and justification again and again only because some people in this forum does not understand what they read.... so I stop this fruitless discussion. It is like a dicussion with some fundamental fanatics who have selective hearing and they hear only what they want to hear and they are fully blind to all uncomfortable facts.


END OF MY DISCUSSION

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Poster: instant madness Date: Dec 6, 2008 4:11am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

No! You have wrong. IA violates mine and other peoples copyrights. But maybe you in USA have your own laws..... Yes... You in USA have done always what you want... like attact and control other countries.

> I'm from South Africa, actually. What a terrible guess.

Current archive laws in almost every country are written originally at that time when the archiving was paper of microfilm copies of newspapers etc material at some library. The arcive laws does not mean that the archive can sperad for example copyrighted music for free to everybody via internet - like it does now.

> The Internet is a library, get used to it, music is a fidderent issue.

Millions of people have photos on their family on web. Ask them. (Family photos and even your home address are intime and private, especially when the are in wrong hands.)

> If it's that intimate why do they put it on the net for everyone to see in the first place?

Like I said (but you don't understood it) that it was my error in past times.

> I did "understood it", and I also did "understand it".

You don't understand what you read or you don't have read my earlier reply to this subject:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=220670

So are you stupid?.... I think that yes.

> What a shame, I value your opinion so much :( :( why do you do this to me? :(

At least you are illiterate to whom it is too difficut to understand general justice principles wich are behind this page stealing and Waybacks homemade rules.

> BUT I can at least speak and write PROPER English.. lol!

You can't suppose that all people read first wayback rules before they make their webpages.

>They don't need to - if it's on the net it's fair game.

Most of peole does not know that such a thing like Wayback even exists. (The wayback has very minor role in this word... only a very small amout of pages are archived, majority of pages are not archived, so the archive has not much general importance. I checked several current webpages.... none of the was found from IA.)

> So, then, um, what the hell are you moaning about?

Tell me how I can put AFTERWARS robots.txt to such pages wich were indexed at that time when such a thing as robots.txt did not exist yet.

> If there's some of your crap indexed by IA, ask them to remove it?

It is very fustrating to repeat same proofing and justification again and again only because some people in this forum does not understand what they read.... so I stop this fruitless discussion. It is like a dicussion with some fundamental fanatics who have selective hearing and they hear only what they want to hear and they are fully blind to all uncomfortable facts.

> I didn't quite understand that, I speak English, not Engrish. I assume you're from India? :P

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Poster: Santtu Date: Dec 6, 2008 7:11am
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

What a shame, I value your opinion so much :( :( why do you do this to me? :(

Apologize... too many brances with too many opponents in this discussion. Some confusion who said and what and what is said many times already and must be repeated again.

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Poster: sinaphile Date: Dec 6, 2008 1:25pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

Well said!!!

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Poster: kustota Date: Dec 4, 2008 7:50pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

laws in this case are in favor of IA, not you:
Limitations on exclusive rights: Reproduction by libraries and archives
OCILLA

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Poster: sinaphile Date: Dec 4, 2008 3:30pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: Wayback is like a thief

"Only I have the right to decide when and where my material is in publicity."

Yes, this is true. And thusly, you have the right to decide whether you want to take the CHANCE that someone may *somehow* get your materials and use them in a way that you do not approve of. NOTHING is 100%. ESPECIALLY on the internet, one of the MOST public forums in the world.

It is its greatest advantage and its greatest disadvantage. You cannot blame a website entirely for your own responsibilities about your materials. If you ABSOLUTELY wanted to make sure NO ONE was to get their hands on them?

Don't post 'em on a website. Period. Welcome to the internet.
The end.